EOP-UAP-D002
Memorandum on Interagency Coordination for the Recovery of Foreign Materiel, May 1963
- Format
- Document, 1 page
- Incident date
- 5/29/63
- Place
- Washington, D.C.
- Released
- Release 07, October 23, 2026
- Source
- war.gov
- Topics
- Correspondence
Description from war.gov
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DECLASSIFIED Authority: NND 968063 May 29, 1963 MEMORANDUM FOR DR. WELSH Subject: Conference with Frutkin - - Fragments I saw Frutkin (and his assistant Marvin Robinson) for more than an hour in his office on May 28. It was necessary to review the background and course of the meetings held last year because he was away at the time and now is very negative on the project. Frutkin seems to feel that: 1. No public announcement is now needed; 2. An Executive Order or statement from the White House would scare people needlessly; 3. The problem is overseas and State would like to be able to point to NASA as the U. S. responsible agency (without a scary public announcement); 4. DOD and AF want to use NASA for a "cover" but have no intention of letting NASA do anything but return some pieces; 5. CIA and NASA get along fine and can do so in the future on this matter; 6. NASA should wait to see what the USIB settles on (and would like to have us pass Frutkin's comments on the DOD paper to AEC (at staff levels for information); and 7. Although NASA was drafting legislation, they (legal?) would oppose sending anything up to Congress in the foreseeable future because of the harmful debate it would touch off. R. W. HaleThe text is machine-read (OCR) from the scan and can contain errors. The scan is the record.
Machine summary
Written by Claude Sonnet 5.5 (Anthropic) on October 23, 2026, from the record's text and war.gov's description. It is not part of the record and can contain errors; check it against the document.
This record is a one-page internal memorandum dated May 29, 1963, from R.W. Hale of the National Aeronautics and Space Council (NASC), an Executive Office of the President body, to NASC Executive Secretary Edward C. Welsh. It reports on a more than hour-long meeting on May 28 in Washington, D.C., with NASA International Programs Director Arnold Frutkin and his assistant, Marvin Robinson. The subject is a coordinated interagency policy for recovering U.S. and Soviet space debris and satellite fragments that land on foreign soil. Hale lists seven points reflecting Frutkin's views, which were "very negative" toward the proposal. Among them: no public announcement or Executive Order was needed, State wanted NASA named as the responsible agency, and DOD and the Air Force wanted to use NASA as "cover" while only allowing it to return some pieces.
The memo documents a jurisdictional dispute over using a civilian agency to mask intelligence-driven materiel recovery. It also notes that Frutkin thought NASA should await a decision by the U.S. Intelligence Board (USIB) and opposed sending legislation to Congress. The document carries a declassification authority number (NND 968063) and has no visible redactions in the OCR text. It is part of a larger correspondence set, "USG-UAP-D002," which is not included here. The memo does not itself mention unidentified anomalous phenomena.
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